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  • First Post: Edited Sep 11, 2025 10:14am Sep 9, 2025 2:48pm | Edited Sep 11, 2025 10:14am
Journaling my use of Hurst tools with prop firm futures while refining criteria for Entry, Exit, RR, and trade management.
The focus is on day trading since the prop firms I use (like MFFU) don't allow you holding positions over ~22hrs.
Profiling tradable structures + sinewaves in market equity hours.

Parisboys thread on Hurst/Cycle Tools is of great inspiration

Hurst Tools:

  1. Valid Trend Lines (VTL)
  2. Centered Moving Averages (CMA)
  3. Future Lines of Demarcation (FLD)
  4. Envelopes (fixed width)
  5. Wave Analysis

Other tools:

  1. Tillman Forks
  2. Tillman Rays
  3. Gann Octaves/8
  4. Murrey Math Lines
  5. CMA Pivots
  6. Focal Point Levels
  7. Classical Chart Patterns

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  • Sep 9, 2025 3:02pm Sep 9, 2025 3:02pm
MNQ 1m - Sine Wave
CMAs
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  • Sep 9, 2025 3:18pm Sep 9, 2025 3:18pm
CMAs with candles removed.
The 128 period component (white CMA) is clearly visible. I have highlighted the price/time slope.
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  • Sep 9, 2025 3:23pm Sep 9, 2025 3:23pm
To set fixed channel widths I apply MML to the chart
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Note the calculated price increment
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and adjust the envelopes accordingly
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  • Sep 9, 2025 3:26pm Sep 9, 2025 3:26pm
Adjusting the multiple of the envelope width as needed

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  • Edited Sep 10, 2025 1:11am Sep 9, 2025 3:48pm | Edited Sep 10, 2025 1:11am
My approach is to study all notable sinewaves and develop a nominal template of criteria for entries, exits, RR, trade management.
Current goal is mainly data collection noting:

  1. Date/time in relation to sessions: NY, NY PM, Asia, London
  2. 128 Component Slope
  3. CMA/Component Directions
  4. Hurst Cycle Tool Triggers

    1. VTL interactions
    2. FLD interactions
    3. Channel Boundary Interactions

  5. CMA Pivot Zone Range
  6. MML Price increment
  7. Red Folder News


*ALL timeframes are 1m unless otherwise noted.

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  • Sep 10, 2025 6:03am Sep 10, 2025 6:03am
MBT

  1. TUE, NY AM (9/02/25)
  2. Red Folder News: 2 events

    1. 9:30a (AUD) GDP
    2. 10a ISM PMI

  3. Slope

    1. Dollar/Min: ($/T)/2

      1. 128: ($1195/249m)/2 = $2.39/min
      2. 256: ($615/415m)/2 = $0.07/min

    2. Percent/Min (%/T)/2

      1. 128: (1.08%/249m)/2 = 0.002%/min
      2. 256: (0.56%/415/)/2 = 0.0006%/min

  4. FP Range:

    1. 3435
    2. 687
    3. 109min

  5. MML Price Increment (MML): 390.625
  6. Channels set to 4x MML to contain the wave


To ID entry LONG:

  1. Hurst Triggers

    1. FLD: 16, 32, shallow rejection off 64. FLDs look spaced well for a cascade
    2. VTL: Break above 32 period
    3. Channels: Bottoming on WHITE, Support found on BLUE

  2. Chart Patterns: Double bottom/Higher Low
  3. Pivot Zone Range: 47 ticks (by default this is derived from 32 period BLUE CMA)

RISK

  1. Risk 47 ticks, 235 pts < MML (390.625pt), + $6.04 fee

    1. x2 contracts = $59.08
    2. x3 contracts = $88.62

  2. Max Range LONG: 11.62R (546 ticks)




Notes:

  1. Inverse ratio in slopes between 2:1 components. 128 is 1/2 of 256, while 1.08% = ~2x 0.56
  2. %/m as a metric seems unusable
  3. Not sure yet what is most important with describing compenents. Will eliminate from reporting for now and replace with FP RANGE: The extreme range of price swings on either side of the Focal Point
  4. ADD Notable Chart patterns: Double bottom
  5. ??What data to include in the spreadsheet?
  6. Make note of whether the Pivot Range fits inside MML

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  2. tick
  3. time

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  • Sep 10, 2025 6:14am Sep 10, 2025 6:14am
CMA Pivot Range Breakdown

  1. Price broke VTL and moved above 4 line on Pivot EXT
  2. Price ret to 3 line, ideal entry LONG here
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  4. After another expansion, Tillman rays, FP projections, 8/8 MML, etc can assist in target
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  • Sep 10, 2025 9:55am Sep 10, 2025 9:55am
MBT

  1. TUE, NY AM (9/09/25)
  2. Red Folder News: n/a
  3. MML: 390.625, channels at 2x
  4. 128 slope: -1.45%, -$2.24/m
  5. FP Range: 2.11%, $2395, 479tk, 142m
  6. Chart Pattern: 22, double top of double top
  7. 6/8 MML as resistance

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  • Sep 11, 2025 1:20am Sep 11, 2025 1:20am
For setting targets, Envelope Boundaries will be used

Support of this logic from Parisboy thread

Also, MAJOR MML 0/8, 4/8, 8/8 levels (though any other MML level can provide confluence)
I would also use projections from Tillman Forks/Rays + CMA Pivot Extensions.

In order of importance:

  1. Envelope Boundaries/Tillman Forks
  2. MML levels/Tillman Rays
  3. CMA Pivot EXT

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  • Sep 11, 2025 1:57am Sep 11, 2025 1:57am
MNQ

 

  1. WED, NY AM (9/10/25)
  2. Red Folder News: Core PPI (8:30a)
  3. MML: 19.531, channels at 2x-4x
  4. 128 slope: 0.18%, $0.11/m
  5. FP Range: 0.67%, $160, 640tk, 190m
  6. Chart Pattern: "Mini" double top
  7. 6/8-7/8 MML as resistance

Notes

  1. Taking a measurement of the adjacent sine. The trade idea is on the backside of sine.
  2. A "Mini" double top shows structure with 32 CMA only

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  • Sep 11, 2025 2:04am Sep 11, 2025 2:04am
MNQ (Trade Idea)

  1. Ret in uptrend, PA does not move outside of (1st order) 32 pivot ext zones, we can target the zone just above pivot for trade structure to build.
  2. 9:30 am, We would anticipate potential double top after price found support at FP
  3. 2nd order of 32 pivot and FP provided reactions

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  • Sep 11, 2025 2:14am Sep 11, 2025 2:14am
Update to data collection:

(Ticker)

  1. DAY, (Session locked at NY AM/premarket) (DATE)
  2. Red Folder News
  3. MML: (Price Increment), (Channel Multiple: 1x,2x,4x)
  4. 128/256 slope: %, $/m
  5. FP Range: %, $Points, ticks, Time (in minutes)
  6. Chart Pattern
  7. Notes: (MML resistance level, other, etc)


Notes:

  1. Locking sessions to NY open and premarket for now since its the session I trade the most
  2. Spreadsheet can contain all of the above

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  • Sep 11, 2025 10:05am Sep 11, 2025 10:05am
MNQ

  1. TUE, 9/9/25
  2. Red Folder News: n/a
  3. Ranges

    1. MML: 19.531, 4x channel
    2. FP: -0.55%, $131.25, 525tk, 147
    3. 32 Pivot: 0.08%, $18.25, 73tk

  4. 128 slope: -0.14%, $0.10/m
  5. Chart Pattern: 32 Double bottom
  6. Channel Break: Teal channel Bottom, 78.124 CW, Red diamond, 10:43am
  7. Notes: -1/8 support

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Pivot Zone 2 setup

  1. Current hypothesis is if price does not close or print free candles outside the 32 Pivot range, we can target pivot zone 2 to look for tradable structure.
  2. PZ2 made micro double bottom

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Notes

  1. Added Channel Break to data. PA breaches/touches channel boundary. Mark time and channel + channel width (Teal, White, Blue) + Diamond notation
  2. Created Ranges to inclue FP Range, Pivot Range and MML
  3. Pivot Zone 2 emerging as identifiable.
  4. Now marking only one channel width multiple. Whatever contains most of price extremes.

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  • Edited 11:57am Sep 11, 2025 11:16am | Edited 11:57am
MNQ

  1. MON, 9/8/25
  2. Red Folder News: n/a
  3. Ranges

    1. MML: 19.531, 2x channel
    2. FP: 0.61%, $144, 576tk, 142m
    3. 32 Pivot: 0.08%, $18.25, 73tk


  4. 128 slope: 0.24%, $0.18/m * | 256 slope: 0.20%, $0.10/m
  5. Chart Pattern: Sine Wave
  6. Volatility: C-
  7. Channel Break: Upper and Lower Teal channel break, 39.062 CW, RedHigh/OrangeLow, 8:24-10:46a
  8. Notes: 0/8 support, 7/8 resistance

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Pivot Zone 2 LONG setup

  1. Price closed outside of 32 Pivot zone, so target zone 3 for entry

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Notes:

  1. *Notating the slopes is taking the average slope over 2 waves.
  2. Adding PA Volatility. From A to E. A is low vol, C normal, E is very hi and basically untradable, as in there doesn't seem to be any direction.
  3. Ideal entry would have been pre-market. Volatility of open would have triggered pt and could have avoided the chop upwards. This would be a difficult trade to re-enter after open.

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  • Sep 11, 2025 11:53am Sep 11, 2025 11:53am
MNQ

  1. FRI, 9/5/25
  2. Red Folder News: Hr Earnings m/m, Non-farm, Unemployment
  3. Ranges

    1. MML: 78.125, 2x channel
    2. FP: 1.66%, $397.50, 1590tk, 100m
    3. 32 Pivot: 0.04%, $10.25, 41tk

  4. 128 slope: 0.77%, $0.75/m | 256 slope: 0.62%, $0.29/m*
  5. Chart Pattern: Sine Wave, 32 DT
  6. Volatility: B
  7. Channel Break: Upper and Lower white channel break, Lower Teal break, 156.25 CW, RedHigh/RedLow, 9:52-11:10a
  8. Notes: 1/8 support, 6/8 resistance

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Pivot Zone 2 SHORT setup

  1. Price closed outside of 32 Pivot zone, so target zone 3 for entry. Though the zone was violated, re-entry was manageable.

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Notes:

  1. *Only one side of wave was clear so % was double to project slope average
  2. Opening volatility would have made early zone marking difficult. Though there was a pivot zone violation, risk would have been ample to not be stopped out.

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  • Edited 3:43pm Sep 11, 2025 2:32pm | Edited 3:43pm
MNQ 9/4/25 - THU

  1. Just focusing on posting Pivot Extensions now. I believe I have enough parameters to start serious data collection in spreadsheet format. Will just post results here after.
  2. Collecting Pivot Extension ranges, chart structure, pass/fail for pivot extension set up, and reactions in pivot zones


2 LONG setups Fail

  1. Price did not respect first zones. Range 0.2%, $5.75, 23tk
  2. Price had no ret inside zones. Price found support at top ext line. Range 0.09%, $21.25, 85tk

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  • Edited 3:43pm Sep 11, 2025 2:49pm | Edited 3:43pm
MNQ 9/3/25 - WED

  1. Adding MML range

LONG setup. May succeed with 2nd entry after a scratch.

  1. MML: 19.531
  2. Pivot ext range: 0.06%, $13.75, 55tk
  3. Price pushed just inside of pivot zone 1. This would have scratched my 43tk risk.

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  • Edited Sep 12, 2025 8:14am Sep 11, 2025 3:08pm | Edited Sep 12, 2025 8:14am
MNQ 9/2/25 - TUE

2 LONG setups. 1st Fail, 2nd no entry

  1. MML: 39.063
  2. Pivot ext range: 0.10%, $23.50, 93tk
  3. Price pushed completely past pivot ranges


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  1. MML: 39.063
  2. Pivot Range: 0.17%, $39.50, 158tk
  3. Could have managed an entry with stall around zone 4

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A better SHORT entry, actually

  1. MML: 39.063
  2. PivR: 0.11%, $25.75, 103tk
  3. Structure built around zone 1+2

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  • Edited 3:44pm Sep 11, 2025 3:25pm | Edited 3:44pm
MNQ 9/1/25 - MON

1 Potential LONG, but looks like purgatory

  1. MML: 9.766
  2. Pivot ext range: 0.07%, $15.50, 62tk
  3. Entry would have left the trade meandering for hours

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